My name's Bethany. I like to think that I'm a nice person. I like to read (depending on what I'm reading), listening to music (depending on the type of music which i really don't have a problem beacuse I like just about anything), and doodling on a clean sheet of paper, erasing the doodles, and throwing the paper away. Very wasteful, I know. I can't help it. Class is so boring sometimes
February 25, 2013 Genesis 1-3
God created everything in creating Heaven and Earth. He separated light and darkness and called it day and night, He created Heaven and Earth, sun and the moon, the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky. He made all sorts of livestock, “beasts”, and creeping things. He also said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the fowl of the air and over the cattle, and over all the earth and over every creeping thing…” So he made man in his own image, and said onto them, “Be fruitful and multiply.” He saw everything He had made and called it very good (His opinion of His creation is better than ours most of the time). He created Heaven and Earth and everything in it in just six days which for man just hurts our brains thinking about it. And on the seventh day he rested. God formed Adam out of dust. Dust! Think about it. Our little human brains wouldn’t even think about making something as complex as man for something as simple as dust. God gave Adam Eden to take care of and allowed him to eat from any tree except the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. God created Eve from Adam’s rib, and Genesis 2:25 says man should leave his parents and cleave unto his wife and they shall be one. For this, men should stand beside their women. They were also naked and they were not ashamed at all. And only after they ate the fruit did they realize they were naked. I’m not sure if Adam and Eve used their nakedness as a cover up to why they actually did wrong or just the fact that they were more aware. I know they felt guilty because when they heard God, they hid. God cursed the serpent more than all other animals forcing it to slide on its belly forever and laid out the pain that would then be experienced by woman and the struggles to be endured by man. Sin entered the world. That forbidden fruit had huge consequences.
Hope's Partner Response
Bethany's Genesis summary/analysis thing is very logical. I agree with her statement in the sixth line about how we as humans are totally incapable of even fathoming how God created everything and Adam out of dust. That statement is so true, because on our own we are so foolish and so flawed compared to God. We literally would be nowhere without God. Bethany posed an interesting theory about Adam and Eve's nakedness. She questions whether Adam and Eve used their nakedness as an excuse for their sin when they ate the fruit of the tree of good and evil. This is a fascinating idea, it suggests that further sin was committed in the garden after the eating of the fruit as a cover up. Although, I don't necessarily agree with it. The tree was the knowledge of good and EVIL. They ate and maybe they did gain that knowledge. Maybe they realized that they were evil and they were ashamed and didn't want God to see that. Although, their attempt to try to clothe themselves condemns them just as much, because it demonstrates to God that they are trying to do their own to cover up and hide their evil. All in all, good summary and opinions.
March 7, 2013 Response #2
I think that it was a little weird that the guy said that any dancer who wished to perfect their art could a lot from a puppet. Puppets don’t move on their own and who’s to judge the puppets’ dancing being perfect. Something cool to think about (or not to think about) not to think about the puppets’ moving limbs as separate, but as the limbs as only pendulums and each movement having its own center of gravity. He also gives this explanation of how the operator himself is a dancer if can move into the center of gravity of the marionette. So I guess this the operator dances if he feels it. He says that if he had the perfect puppet made by his specifications it would dance better than the best dancer at that time. I think it’s pretty cool that he tells that unlike humans puppets do not have inertia acting upon them.( Consciousness can disturb natural grace, Paradise of innocence). I guess this relates to that Adam and Eve’s “knowledge” disturbed the peace and perfectness of the world and once they sinned, they could not get back to the perfectness and innocence of Eden. As thought grows dimmer and weaker , grace emerges more brilliantly and decisively. I think it is interesting that he says that grace is strongest when there is no consciousness or an infinite consciousness. Where in order to achieve to the state on innocence we must eat from the tree of knowledge again.
Partner Response for Bethany's Marionette
I agree with Bethany's statement about how puppets would not be pretty dancers. Puppets aren't real and cannot move on their own. There's no emotion or drama. It would be like comparing a picture of a sunset to an actual sunset, you can't see all the real colors, or feel the sun, or squint a little bit because it's bright, it's not real or genuine. Bethany also hints at another problem with puppet dancers. Who's to judge it? Other puppets? There would be a new standard for the dancing. I do not understand how a puppet would not have inertia acting on it. Both humans and big puppets have gravity and what not acting on them. The only difference is that puppets cannot move under their own power and the puppets are lighter. And yes, this piece relates to Genesis quite creatively. But, I think that the analogy is fairly flawed. PUPPETS AREN'T REAL. And I wasn't sure if the bear was supposed to be the ignorant grace, or the infinite knowledge grace. They do not know how to fence, but they have lots of knowledge about protecting themselves and self defense. I for one would not stab a bear, unless it was chasing me. You mess with the bull, you get the horns.
March 13, 2013 Book 1
Interesting that Milton counts Mans first disobedience and the Fruit as two separate acts. This me seems that man sinned before the fruit came in to play. It reminds me of camp when I was younger when they explained to us that sin was anything you think, say or do that make God unhappy. So I that the first disobedience was the thought. Satan's pride got him cast out from Heaven. We've always heard pride's a dangerous thing. And just image what terribly awful a place Hell is if, there's flames, but no light, just darkness. Hell is the place made by God for those who rebel against Him. It as far away from and as distant from Heaven as possible. Polar Opposites!!! Not even earthly measures! Satan even after being changed and defeated by God can still day he's not sorry and his fixed mind is still the same. To never do good and to ever do bad and get pleasure from it. Beyond what i can think of as evil, because each human has some type good in them. And even if if God wants to find good within the evil, Satan wants to turn it back evil. They make Hell the complete opposite from Heaven, no more happy fields and no more place where joys dwells, a pretty awful place if you ask me. Earth's not anywhere comparable with Heaven, but just to imagine a place even worse than Earth is pretty awful.
Hope's Partner Response
I think that Bethany is right when she says that man sinned before the fruit came into play. This also reminded me of a time when I was younger in Sunday school and the teacher taught that as soon as you thought of the sin in your mind you had sinned. Would this mean that if Adam and Eve had not actually ate the fruit but only thought of eating it they would have been kicked out of the garden? Would they have gained knowledge and realized their nakedness either way? Or would they still be in the state of ignorance, not having realized that they had sinned? But yes, hell would be a terribly awful place. Not just flames and darkness, but like Bethany said, the total opposite of Heaven. Imagine every single thing that's ever gone wrong in your life or someone elses, all the pain or stress or regret or hatred or bad feeling ever felt in one place, for eternity. Although I suppose I somewhat disagree with Bethany. Everyone is totally evil. We are absolute sinners covered by God's grace and there's nothing we could ever to do measure up to being good. Anything good we do or have must have come directly from God.
March 19 Book 2
So I think I'm going to write about what I think Milton is trying to say because to be honest I'm reading this right now and I don't have a clue what these words mean. So here goes...
Satan wants to pursue war with Heaven. (Why is Heav'n a contraction?) I assume he's talking (who's heard of quotations) and he says that Heaven is not lost and that the fallen angels will rise. I believe it makes some sense to me when he says, " where there is then no good for which to strive , no strife can grow up there..." and, "for none sure will claim in Hell Precedence." Moloc was the fiercest that fought in Heaven and wanted war. I guess that was the most obvious thing I've gotten to so far. Belial was more graceful and humane. Sounds like he's for war but not in hate. Which doesn't make sense, but whatever. Keep reading... So these devils... decide to create an empire opposite of Heaven. That makes sense to us because we do think as Hell as the opposite of Heaven. It seems like they find out about this "New World" that can heal their scars of the corrosive fires with its soft delicious air and they want to send someone tho check it out. To think of Earth as a good place. Well I guess it's relative. Compared to Hell, Earth's probably ( I meant really is) the bomb.com. The dark unbottomed infinite Abyss? Does that refer to the unknown? Is that Earth? Is it Chaos? Satan agrees to check out this place. Which I guess leads us to Eden and Adam and Eve. Or maybe not. Maybe Milton decides to add another little piece. Look Hope I know you probably read this and thought," Boy this girl is crazy!" It's okay I thinking the same thing about myself right now!!
So I printed off my copy of Book 2 about a week ago maybe. It was a different one. Not like the new one. There are quotes in that one. WELL LOOKEY THERE!!
Book 2 Response
Thanks for the shout-out! Yeah my post probably did not make a whole lot of sense. Yeah this passage was really hard to understand. I can't remember if it was you in class or someone else, that brought this up, but I see that you just mentioned this. That maybe the fallen angels had a tentative plan to relocate from their fiery pits of hell brimstone flames with no light blah blah blah blah. And hey look, there is this new, "New World" made from the Chaos. It seems like a good option, with its "soft delicious air" and what not. Probably (definitely) not as good as Heaven, but most assuredly better than Hell. So it does seem like a legitimate theory that the fallen angels were gonna make sure that man fell too, or at least check out their prospects on earth to see if it would be a good idea to relocate to the New World to raise... hell?.. And maybe it kinda worked out for them. Maybe their eternal punishment is somewhat lessened by their time spent on earth wreaking havoc and what not. I have no clue. I'm not an angel, fallen or not. And no Bethany, I don't think you're crazy.
Paradise Lost Conclusion
Eve eats the fruit. Earth feels the consequences which I take as everyone for generations to come as being affected by it. Adam was amazed or at least it seemed like he was. A horror chill ran through his body and he even dropped the necklace he'd made for Eve. The man was in disbelief I guess. i think we had the discussion about how Satan would go for the stronger or smarter one and how Eve was that. Adam would be the one not to question God's orders. I guess he figured at that moment Eve was longer the innocent creature she once was before she had eaten the fruit (defaced, deflowered). In Book 11, we know that Adam and Eve gained the knowledge of both good and evil.We learn that God will them away the garden of Eden and make them work. This is the same as Genesis. Adam and Eve are sent away from the perfection of Eden. Adam now has to work! We have to work! Everyone feels the consequences of this first (according to Milton, second) sin. Adam and Eve are told they must leave. I think for the first time Eve is actually happy with Adam. Well she's not sad to have received him. In class we talked about them being put on the same level, so Eve didn't feel the need to go to something on her level or better than Adam. It was sad picturing them leaving. They were holding hands, walking slow, and at some point shedding a few tears. They had to walk into the world.
My name's Bethany. I like to think that I'm a nice person. I like to read (depending on what I'm reading), listening to music (depending on the type of music which i really don't have a problem beacuse I like just about anything), and doodling on a clean sheet of paper, erasing the doodles, and throwing the paper away. Very wasteful, I know. I can't help it. Class is so boring sometimes
February 25, 2013 Genesis 1-3
God created everything in creating Heaven and Earth. He separated light and darkness and called it day and night, He created Heaven and Earth, sun and the moon, the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky. He made all sorts of livestock, “beasts”, and creeping things. He also said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the fowl of the air and over the cattle, and over all the earth and over every creeping thing…” So he made man in his own image, and said onto them, “Be fruitful and multiply.” He saw everything He had made and called it very good (His opinion of His creation is better than ours most of the time). He created Heaven and Earth and everything in it in just six days which for man just hurts our brains thinking about it. And on the seventh day he rested. God formed Adam out of dust. Dust! Think about it. Our little human brains wouldn’t even think about making something as complex as man for something as simple as dust. God gave Adam Eden to take care of and allowed him to eat from any tree except the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. God created Eve from Adam’s rib, and Genesis 2:25 says man should leave his parents and cleave unto his wife and they shall be one. For this, men should stand beside their women. They were also naked and they were not ashamed at all. And only after they ate the fruit did they realize they were naked. I’m not sure if Adam and Eve used their nakedness as a cover up to why they actually did wrong or just the fact that they were more aware. I know they felt guilty because when they heard God, they hid. God cursed the serpent more than all other animals forcing it to slide on its belly forever and laid out the pain that would then be experienced by woman and the struggles to be endured by man. Sin entered the world. That forbidden fruit had huge consequences.
Hope's Partner Response
Bethany's Genesis summary/analysis thing is very logical. I agree with her statement in the sixth line about how we as humans are totally incapable of even fathoming how God created everything and Adam out of dust. That statement is so true, because on our own we are so foolish and so flawed compared to God. We literally would be nowhere without God. Bethany posed an interesting theory about Adam and Eve's nakedness. She questions whether Adam and Eve used their nakedness as an excuse for their sin when they ate the fruit of the tree of good and evil. This is a fascinating idea, it suggests that further sin was committed in the garden after the eating of the fruit as a cover up. Although, I don't necessarily agree with it. The tree was the knowledge of good and EVIL. They ate and maybe they did gain that knowledge. Maybe they realized that they were evil and they were ashamed and didn't want God to see that. Although, their attempt to try to clothe themselves condemns them just as much, because it demonstrates to God that they are trying to do their own to cover up and hide their evil. All in all, good summary and opinions.
March 7, 2013 Response #2
I think that it was a little weird that the guy said that any dancer who wished to perfect their art could a lot from a puppet. Puppets don’t move on their own and who’s to judge the puppets’ dancing being perfect. Something cool to think about (or not to think about) not to think about the puppets’ moving limbs as separate, but as the limbs as only pendulums and each movement having its own center of gravity. He also gives this explanation of how the operator himself is a dancer if can move into the center of gravity of the marionette. So I guess this the operator dances if he feels it. He says that if he had the perfect puppet made by his specifications it would dance better than the best dancer at that time. I think it’s pretty cool that he tells that unlike humans puppets do not have inertia acting upon them.( Consciousness can disturb natural grace, Paradise of innocence). I guess this relates to that Adam and Eve’s “knowledge” disturbed the peace and perfectness of the world and once they sinned, they could not get back to the perfectness and innocence of Eden. As thought grows dimmer and weaker , grace emerges more brilliantly and decisively. I think it is interesting that he says that grace is strongest when there is no consciousness or an infinite consciousness. Where in order to achieve to the state on innocence we must eat from the tree of knowledge again.Partner Response for Bethany's Marionette
I agree with Bethany's statement about how puppets would not be pretty dancers. Puppets aren't real and cannot move on their own. There's no emotion or drama. It would be like comparing a picture of a sunset to an actual sunset, you can't see all the real colors, or feel the sun, or squint a little bit because it's bright, it's not real or genuine. Bethany also hints at another problem with puppet dancers. Who's to judge it? Other puppets? There would be a new standard for the dancing. I do not understand how a puppet would not have inertia acting on it. Both humans and big puppets have gravity and what not acting on them. The only difference is that puppets cannot move under their own power and the puppets are lighter. And yes, this piece relates to Genesis quite creatively. But, I think that the analogy is fairly flawed. PUPPETS AREN'T REAL. And I wasn't sure if the bear was supposed to be the ignorant grace, or the infinite knowledge grace. They do not know how to fence, but they have lots of knowledge about protecting themselves and self defense. I for one would not stab a bear, unless it was chasing me. You mess with the bull, you get the horns.March 13, 2013 Book 1
Interesting that Milton counts Mans first disobedience and the Fruit as two separate acts. This me seems that man sinned before the fruit came in to play. It reminds me of camp when I was younger when they explained to us that sin was anything you think, say or do that make God unhappy. So I that the first disobedience was the thought. Satan's pride got him cast out from Heaven. We've always heard pride's a dangerous thing. And just image what terribly awful a place Hell is if, there's flames, but no light, just darkness. Hell is the place made by God for those who rebel against Him. It as far away from and as distant from Heaven as possible. Polar Opposites!!! Not even earthly measures! Satan even after being changed and defeated by God can still day he's not sorry and his fixed mind is still the same. To never do good and to ever do bad and get pleasure from it. Beyond what i can think of as evil, because each human has some type good in them. And even if if God wants to find good within the evil, Satan wants to turn it back evil. They make Hell the complete opposite from Heaven, no more happy fields and no more place where joys dwells, a pretty awful place if you ask me. Earth's not anywhere comparable with Heaven, but just to imagine a place even worse than Earth is pretty awful.Hope's Partner Response
I think that Bethany is right when she says that man sinned before the fruit came into play. This also reminded me of a time when I was younger in Sunday school and the teacher taught that as soon as you thought of the sin in your mind you had sinned. Would this mean that if Adam and Eve had not actually ate the fruit but only thought of eating it they would have been kicked out of the garden? Would they have gained knowledge and realized their nakedness either way? Or would they still be in the state of ignorance, not having realized that they had sinned? But yes, hell would be a terribly awful place. Not just flames and darkness, but like Bethany said, the total opposite of Heaven. Imagine every single thing that's ever gone wrong in your life or someone elses, all the pain or stress or regret or hatred or bad feeling ever felt in one place, for eternity. Although I suppose I somewhat disagree with Bethany. Everyone is totally evil. We are absolute sinners covered by God's grace and there's nothing we could ever to do measure up to being good. Anything good we do or have must have come directly from God.March 19 Book 2
So I think I'm going to write about what I think Milton is trying to say because to be honest I'm reading this right now and I don't have a clue what these words mean. So here goes...Satan wants to pursue war with Heaven. (Why is Heav'n a contraction?) I assume he's talking (who's heard of quotations) and he says that Heaven is not lost and that the fallen angels will rise. I believe it makes some sense to me when he says, " where there is then no good for which to strive , no strife can grow up there..." and, "for none sure will claim in Hell Precedence." Moloc was the fiercest that fought in Heaven and wanted war. I guess that was the most obvious thing I've gotten to so far. Belial was more graceful and humane. Sounds like he's for war but not in hate. Which doesn't make sense, but whatever. Keep reading... So these devils... decide to create an empire opposite of Heaven. That makes sense to us because we do think as Hell as the opposite of Heaven. It seems like they find out about this "New World" that can heal their scars of the corrosive fires with its soft delicious air and they want to send someone tho check it out. To think of Earth as a good place. Well I guess it's relative. Compared to Hell, Earth's probably ( I meant really is) the bomb.com. The dark unbottomed infinite Abyss? Does that refer to the unknown? Is that Earth? Is it Chaos? Satan agrees to check out this place. Which I guess leads us to Eden and Adam and Eve. Or maybe not. Maybe Milton decides to add another little piece. Look Hope I know you probably read this and thought," Boy this girl is crazy!" It's okay I thinking the same thing about myself right now!!
So I printed off my copy of Book 2 about a week ago maybe. It was a different one. Not like the new one. There are quotes in that one. WELL LOOKEY THERE!!
Book 2 Response
Thanks for the shout-out! Yeah my post probably did not make a whole lot of sense. Yeah this passage was really hard to understand. I can't remember if it was you in class or someone else, that brought this up, but I see that you just mentioned this. That maybe the fallen angels had a tentative plan to relocate from their fiery pits of hell brimstone flames with no light blah blah blah blah. And hey look, there is this new, "New World" made from the Chaos. It seems like a good option, with its "soft delicious air" and what not. Probably (definitely) not as good as Heaven, but most assuredly better than Hell. So it does seem like a legitimate theory that the fallen angels were gonna make sure that man fell too, or at least check out their prospects on earth to see if it would be a good idea to relocate to the New World to raise... hell?.. And maybe it kinda worked out for them. Maybe their eternal punishment is somewhat lessened by their time spent on earth wreaking havoc and what not. I have no clue. I'm not an angel, fallen or not. And no Bethany, I don't think you're crazy.Paradise Lost Conclusion
Eve eats the fruit. Earth feels the consequences which I take as everyone for generations to come as being affected by it. Adam was amazed or at least it seemed like he was. A horror chill ran through his body and he even dropped the necklace he'd made for Eve. The man was in disbelief I guess. i think we had the discussion about how Satan would go for the stronger or smarter one and how Eve was that. Adam would be the one not to question God's orders. I guess he figured at that moment Eve was longer the innocent creature she once was before she had eaten the fruit (defaced, deflowered). In Book 11, we know that Adam and Eve gained the knowledge of both good and evil.We learn that God will them away the garden of Eden and make them work. This is the same as Genesis. Adam and Eve are sent away from the perfection of Eden. Adam now has to work! We have to work! Everyone feels the consequences of this first (according to Milton, second) sin. Adam and Eve are told they must leave. I think for the first time Eve is actually happy with Adam. Well she's not sad to have received him. In class we talked about them being put on the same level, so Eve didn't feel the need to go to something on her level or better than Adam. It was sad picturing them leaving. They were holding hands, walking slow, and at some point shedding a few tears. They had to walk into the world.